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most of it followed bill clinton's 1993 tax increase. now, mitt romney has just spent two years telling us that tax cuts are all you need to stimulate the economy. is that wrong? >> absolutely wrong. supply side economics is bunk. we have seen historically not only when bill clinton raised taxes the economy did very well. george w. bush in 2001, 2003, cut taxes and the economy did very badly and then ultimately went really over a cliff in 2008. or more evidence for the first three decades after the second world war in the united states, the top tax rate never fell below 70% under dwight d. eisenhower, president eisenhower -- >> and yet professor, we have heard paul ryan, the so-called budget policy wonk of the house, repeatedly tell us that what we need to do is cut taxes and the economy does great. >> well, that's just simply not true. we had an election. most of the americans obviously did not believe that nonsense, and it is absolutely nonsense. there's no correlation at all between tax rates on the very top and the economy doing wors
most of it followed bill clinton's 1993 tax increase. now, mitt romney has just spent two years telling us that tax cuts are all you need to stimulate the economy. is that wrong? >> absolutely wrong. supply side economics is bunk. we have seen historically not only when bill clinton raised taxes the economy did very well. george w. bush in 2001, 2003, cut taxes and the economy did very badly and then ultimately went really over a cliff in 2008. or more evidence for the first three decades...
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if i were the obama administration, i would appoint bill clinton as a middle east peace envoy. he has credibility both on the israeli street and in the arab world with the camp david accord s and with the clinton global initiative. we, as americans, the united nations has to get involved. we have to send a message to both israel and palestine that there's absolutely no military violence solution to the israeli/palestinian conflict. it can only be a peaceful and political one. >>> today's talk back question, should [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. . >>> now is your chance to talk back on one of the big stories of the day. the question for you this morning, should politicians have a mandatory retirement age? it was a simple question, if you're 27. or maybe those over 50 are way too sensitive. nbc's fresh face luke russert shouted out a question at nancy pelosi's presser an
if i were the obama administration, i would appoint bill clinton as a middle east peace envoy. he has credibility both on the israeli street and in the arab world with the camp david accord s and with the clinton global initiative. we, as americans, the united nations has to get involved. we have to send a message to both israel and palestine that there's absolutely no military violence solution to the israeli/palestinian conflict. it can only be a peaceful and political one. >>>...
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. >> in 1997 after bill clinton got re-elected but before lewinsky, the republicans tried to do the same thing on chinese fund-raising. remember that? they spent the better part of a year trying to turn this into a huge scandal. there is a little more to that one than there is to this. this is just exploiting a tragedy for political purposes. >> and here is the great irony. john mccain, who seems like he's the big whistle-blower, going after susan rice yesterday. compare what he said about susan rice yesterday with what he said about another foreign policy expert, in this case condoleezza rice, back in 2005. here is mccain on susan rice. take a listen. >> susan rice should have known better, and if she didn't know better, she's not qualified. she should have known better. i will do everything in my power to block her from being the united states secretary of state. >> okay. mortal sin, deal breaker, end of her career because john mccain said she had gotten the wrong brief and delivered the wrong brief. however, mccain had a very different reaction back in 2005 when condoleezza rice was n
. >> in 1997 after bill clinton got re-elected but before lewinsky, the republicans tried to do the same thing on chinese fund-raising. remember that? they spent the better part of a year trying to turn this into a huge scandal. there is a little more to that one than there is to this. this is just exploiting a tragedy for political purposes. >> and here is the great irony. john mccain, who seems like he's the big whistle-blower, going after susan rice yesterday. compare what he...
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one is, i understand the first person the president called after knowing that he won was bill clinton. is that right? >> exactly, yes. >> does he feel a debt of gratitude to him? >> well, there's no question about it. as he said to president clinton, he was the most valuable player in this campaign. and we got a chance to spend some time with president clinton over the weekend. he just campaigned his heart out. and he was a -- because he believes that there were two choices here and one led us forward and one led us back. and he was very effective out there. there is a strong sense of gratitude and i think the president is looking forward to calling on president clinton in the future for advice, council and assistance as we move this country forward. >> secondly, the biggest tragedy of the whole evening for many of us was the fact that your mustache gets to stay on. are you a relieved man this morning? >> i will say, when i made the bet, the bet was if we lost pennsylvania, michigan or minnesota i would shave off my mustache. i did it with complete confidence that this mustache, which
one is, i understand the first person the president called after knowing that he won was bill clinton. is that right? >> exactly, yes. >> does he feel a debt of gratitude to him? >> well, there's no question about it. as he said to president clinton, he was the most valuable player in this campaign. and we got a chance to spend some time with president clinton over the weekend. he just campaigned his heart out. and he was a -- because he believes that there were two choices...
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there are a lot of democrats that were very upset with bill clinton during the late '80s and early '90s. they obviously won the white house back in 1992 because they nominated a moderate to center democrat that could win independents and women and people of color and so forth? >> there is an article that the tea party is over. that obviously is the right of the right fringe element of the republican party. very hard line. they certainly had a bigger voice when more of those supported members were elected to congress in 2010, but is that accurate? do you think the tea party is over for extreme conservea tichl? >> time will tell. clearly last tuesday voters didn't express happiness or support for the tea party very clearly. the question will be whether the republican party tries to move as jonathan just described, kind of moderates their message or still beholden to that kind of extreme part of the party? we're starting to see a few dfrs say we should have flexibility on the tax revenue question but talking about it and action are two very different things. i think we'll know soon. >> is
there are a lot of democrats that were very upset with bill clinton during the late '80s and early '90s. they obviously won the white house back in 1992 because they nominated a moderate to center democrat that could win independents and women and people of color and so forth? >> there is an article that the tea party is over. that obviously is the right of the right fringe element of the republican party. very hard line. they certainly had a bigger voice when more of those supported...
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in 1996, bill clinton won big. you know who else won big? me. when i went back in january of 1997, was i willing to work any more after bill clinton won the election than before? no. a lot of republicans that won an election in the house as well. i just say that to say the president can go ahead -- and to follow up on david, he could do brinkmanship if he wants. a lot of these guys have spent the last couple years in the house standing up to the president going after him aggressively. he got re-elected. >> and the government's organized the same way. >> yes. if the president wants to engage in brinksmanship, he can. >> the message they took from their own re-election in their district was go back to washington and fight the president. don't cooperate with what he wants to do. >> right. >> all right, josh -- >> that's what i'm saying, brinksmanship seems to be short-sighted right now. i think instead of flying all across the country and spending taxpayer dollars on air force one and your security detail, could you just try inviting people over to
in 1996, bill clinton won big. you know who else won big? me. when i went back in january of 1997, was i willing to work any more after bill clinton won the election than before? no. a lot of republicans that won an election in the house as well. i just say that to say the president can go ahead -- and to follow up on david, he could do brinkmanship if he wants. a lot of these guys have spent the last couple years in the house standing up to the president going after him aggressively. he got...
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bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama team was going to mess up, history suggests, they already did. maybe it's something that has made headlines already, but maybe not. remember, the lewinsky scandal didn't surface until 1998. maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference, he said he was well aware of the history of presidential overreach in second terms. that's a little bit of a different subject, but you get the sense that anyone that much aware of presidential history knows that second-term scandals can be a problem and most likely will be really, really careful. wolf? >> john berman, thank you. good history lesson for all of us. remember, you can follow what's
bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama team was going to mess up, history suggests, they already did. maybe it's something that has made headlines already, but maybe not. remember, the lewinsky scandal didn't surface until 1998. maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference,...
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you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to solve these issues that are clearly before us. they're solvable but not without a sense of purpose and unity. basically you have president clinton who has the credibility of balancing the budget and then leaving a surplus. that's a pretty strong record to stand on and a lot of knowledge and experience. secondly, you hit it, he is -- he does do arithmetic well. he's also a pretty good salesman, pretty good persuader. i think you have those two great attributes with the former president. and governor romney, he's a problem solver, he's a business person. he knows how to re
you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to...
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we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a senator, congressman, or whatever it is, if you are a career politician, you always look out for yourself first. when the president's in this position, having been elected a second time, now he has nothing to lose. >> where do you you this he's been weak and where does he need to be stronger? >> i think he's been weak. my son was a huge obama supporter until obama ordered that american's death with the drone and then he lost my son. my son was so offended that a president could kill a united states citizen without a trial, without anything like
we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a...
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president in her corner, no matter what, bill clinton. but she has served president obama very well as has joe biden. wouldn't that president the president in a very tight spot? >> it would. >> well, like jonathan said i think some conversations will have to be had behind the scenes before they decide who will go forward. but i think the president will maybe say something -- you know, he'll try to stay out of it, but i think he'll make his choice known behind the scenes. >> so who on the right would be the biggest opponent? would it be a christie or rubio? >> those are certainly two candidates that could come forward in 10 t 2016. marco rubio saying his trip has nothing to do with 2016. nobody other than marco rubio believing that. you have to think about bobby jindal, the governor of louisiana, susanna martinez has gained a lot of interest among republicans lately. particularly after they were hammered with the latino vote in the last election. so there are a lot of republicans who could end up running. there will be some effort in the r
president in her corner, no matter what, bill clinton. but she has served president obama very well as has joe biden. wouldn't that president the president in a very tight spot? >> it would. >> well, like jonathan said i think some conversations will have to be had behind the scenes before they decide who will go forward. but i think the president will maybe say something -- you know, he'll try to stay out of it, but i think he'll make his choice known behind the scenes. >> so...
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the reverend and i might disagree, if it came to jack welch or bill clinton, they made decisions in how to live their private lives, use of public resources, i think there are some criteria for judging here and it isn't a blanket morality. >> it is multilayer. that's why we try to bring it in. where's the line for what matters for business. thank you very much. take care of. >> thank you for having us. >>> next, america, that close to being the king of oil. see what our world might look like if we had full energy independence. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] 'tis the season to discover the kid in all of us. the memories that last, start with the gifts that last. ♪ enjoy free shipping and great values on your holiday shopping from l.l.bean. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. t
the reverend and i might disagree, if it came to jack welch or bill clinton, they made decisions in how to live their private lives, use of public resources, i think there are some criteria for judging here and it isn't a blanket morality. >> it is multilayer. that's why we try to bring it in. where's the line for what matters for business. thank you very much. take care of. >> thank you for having us. >>> next, america, that close to being the king of oil. see what our...
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even as high-ranking, frankly, as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. i know he would hate me for saying that, but we need a person of enormous prestige and influence to have these parties sit down together as an honest broker. >> in 1993 president clinton brought then palestinian leader yasser air fought, and then israeli prime minister brabine together for an iconic handshake at the white house. he also had the first face-to-face agreement between the -- ultimately, it did not fulfill either side's expectations. president clinton tried again at the camp david 2000 summit, but, again, it ended without an agreement on the peace -- on peace in the region. james ruben serves as president clinton's assistant secretary of state for public affairs. he is joining us from new york. jamie, good to see you, as always. if you were advising the president here, do you think he should accept the task? >> well, i think bill clinton will do what's asked much him, but i think it's fair to say the circumstances are very, very different today than they were back, i guess
even as high-ranking, frankly, as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. i know he would hate me for saying that, but we need a person of enormous prestige and influence to have these parties sit down together as an honest broker. >> in 1993 president clinton brought then palestinian leader yasser air fought, and then israeli prime minister brabine together for an iconic handshake at the white house. he also had the first face-to-face agreement between the --...
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clinton erskine bowles. gentlemen, wonderful to have you on the program. i want to first get to this. have either of you or together both of you been asked to participate in any way in these fiscal cliff negotiations? >> i've talked to most of the members of the white house. i met over the last couple of days with what's called the gang of eight, four republican senators and four democrat senators. i'm going to update alan as soon as this ends. >> senator, you have not been involved in these talks so far. >> he's an hour away. i'm all day away. i live in wyoming. today we're 2 1/2 hours late getting out of denver. i have to get my good threads on later. erskine is the numbers guy. he's done this before. he's the last human being on earth to balance the budget in 1996. he knows the game. he furnishes it back to me. he has my proxy on every occasion. >> we work on it together. >> i guess we're all trying to figure out why it is that the plan has gotten blown off for, you know, a bad choice of words, maybe. eve
clinton erskine bowles. gentlemen, wonderful to have you on the program. i want to first get to this. have either of you or together both of you been asked to participate in any way in these fiscal cliff negotiations? >> i've talked to most of the members of the white house. i met over the last couple of days with what's called the gang of eight, four republican senators and four democrat senators. i'm going to update alan as soon as this ends. >> senator, you have not been involved...
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us, tea-party backed congressman raul labrador, tom friedman, former white house chief of staff for bill clinton john podesta, republican strategist mike murphy, and nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell.
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one way to go back to where it was under bill clinton. that's what the president's saying he won't budge on. another way though is to close loopholes or cap deductions. the think tank third way said you could get about $1.3 million capping deductions. that affects the wealthy. there's many ways to get revenue, why is he only saying i'm going to go for this way? >> let's remember that he was very conciliatory in his speech on election night. and he even reiterated today, erin, that if republicans have other ideas on how to get to where we need to go, if other democrats have other ideas, which would mean to deal with this in a balanced way that does not hurt middle class families, workers, seniors, the most vulnerable, i think he's willing to listen to that. so i think that is where the compromise can lie, if republicans really understand they're the ones that are going to need to give more. >> do you agree with that? the president did win electoral popular vote. the margin was only 2%, but he did win it. >> sure. well, elections have conse
one way to go back to where it was under bill clinton. that's what the president's saying he won't budge on. another way though is to close loopholes or cap deductions. the think tank third way said you could get about $1.3 million capping deductions. that affects the wealthy. there's many ways to get revenue, why is he only saying i'm going to go for this way? >> let's remember that he was very conciliatory in his speech on election night. and he even reiterated today, erin, that if...
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one way of addressing our problems quickly is for that bill to pass through the congress, through the house. >> other questions? right here. >> the question for you is, if you listen to what former president clinton said before the third debate or what labor secretary rice said, they both said the same version of the following. for the markets, for the long- term sustainability of the economy, we have to fix the deficit -- fix the deficit. denton said is, let's go ahead and get the deal and make it -- what clinton said is, let's go ahead and make the deal and make it ironclad. we need continuation of stimulus, which is effective of what he said when he was standing the economy, we by obama's sidedo yn they extended the bush tax cuts. that we need to have a grand bargain and it needs to go into effect right away? or do you agree with this, get the grand bargain, but delayed for a year or two, as the people on the democratic side of the debate have argued? >> my job is economic policy adviser. i am best at leading the policy -- politics to someone else. as an economist, the right strate
one way of addressing our problems quickly is for that bill to pass through the congress, through the house. >> other questions? right here. >> the question for you is, if you listen to what former president clinton said before the third debate or what labor secretary rice said, they both said the same version of the following. for the markets, for the long- term sustainability of the economy, we have to fix the deficit -- fix the deficit. denton said is, let's go ahead and get the...
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you saw a second term with bill clinton ton, they cooped and impeached him, too. >> up next, this is one thing you'll see only on "the cycle." developments in the search for bigfoot. yes, i said bigfoot. >>> no, no, no. >> we just got it. dude, i think they're here. >> something's moving down below. y-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. but then...it wouldn't be stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from stouffer's. gives you a low national plan premium... so you can focus on what really matters. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including i
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. >> they do, but there is hypocrisy circumstance look at bill clinton. he is one of the most revered and popular ex-presidents in history and you he was a pretty naughty boy as president, you know? i don't think the american public are quite as puritanical to people they linings as to people maybe they don't like so much. >> like whom? >> eliot spitzer would come to mind. >> that wasn't exactly an affair. that was a business arrangement, right? a little different, i think. but you are right. i think the public cuts a lot of soft core for those they love. >> "capturing camelot," a guy called stanley, an official photographer for the kennedys. >> he really wasn't, piers, he was a real old-time photojournalist who had immense access to the kennedys. >> but wasn't official? >> no. no. >> they just let him in. >> they let him in and they let him in for the reasons we were just talking about. they -- he had a very symbiotic relationship with the kennedys. he made them look good and they gave him access. >> they understood the power of this kind of image. i mea
. >> they do, but there is hypocrisy circumstance look at bill clinton. he is one of the most revered and popular ex-presidents in history and you he was a pretty naughty boy as president, you know? i don't think the american public are quite as puritanical to people they linings as to people maybe they don't like so much. >> like whom? >> eliot spitzer would come to mind. >> that wasn't exactly an affair. that was a business arrangement, right? a little different, i...
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i wonder how much that one is going for that bill clinton put in the white house time capsule in 1999. that one we're told is still there. >> you have a good memory, kayla. thank you very much. very sad story there. kayla tausche. >>> new proof today despite a still struggling economy consumers are still spending hundreds of millions of dollars on entertainment. staggering figures on a new smash movie and a new smash video game. julia boorstin is crunching numbers in l.a. hi. >> hi to you, simon. the fifth and final twooit light film "breaking dawn part 2" grosses $30.4 million thursday night at midnight's screenings here in the u.s. that's the third biggest u.s. opening ever putting the film on track to -- for as much as $150 million at the u.s. box office this weekend, making "twilight" one of the biggest franchises ever. internationally it is also off to massive start, setting single-day records for the year in both italy and france. this certainly makes lionsgate $412 million acquisition of summit which produces the movie look like a pretty good deal. >>> block ops 2 had the bigge
i wonder how much that one is going for that bill clinton put in the white house time capsule in 1999. that one we're told is still there. >> you have a good memory, kayla. thank you very much. very sad story there. kayla tausche. >>> new proof today despite a still struggling economy consumers are still spending hundreds of millions of dollars on entertainment. staggering figures on a new smash movie and a new smash video game. julia boorstin is crunching numbers in l.a. hi....
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frankly, as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. i know he'd hate me for saying that but we need a person of enormous prestige and influence to have these parties sit down together, as an arms broker. >> during his presidency bill clinton held negotiations at camp david between israel and the palestinian authority. >> other top stories this morning. the u.s. is with you. president obama promising american support for myanmar as the once repressive regime travels the road to democracy. he is the first sitting u.s. president to travel there. he's also the first to go to cambodia, arriving there just this morning. that is the last stop on his very quick tour of southeast asia. >> and 2016. i know i know. it might be a long way away. but a certain senator from florida sure looked like a presidential candidate during this visit to iowa. marco rubio appearing saturday night at a fund-raiser for iowa governor terry branstad. in his speech the florida senator discussed the future of the republican party and addressed a host of issues includ
frankly, as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. i know he'd hate me for saying that but we need a person of enormous prestige and influence to have these parties sit down together, as an arms broker. >> during his presidency bill clinton held negotiations at camp david between israel and the palestinian authority. >> other top stories this morning. the u.s. is with you. president obama promising american support for myanmar as the once repressive regime...
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we're also not done with the bill clintons of of the world and the barack obamas of the world. >> we hear rand paul is talking about not a 30-year run but possibly four years. >> he's still viable. i think it's important to remember that what allen west represented beyond just the tea party was an anti-islamic really almost jihadism and it took root in south florida. he was very stridently anti-muslim and in a way that was ironic because he is an african-american and he took that to extremes as well. at the end of the day he also voted to raise the debt ceiling. so he wasn't a purist on tea party ideology. he think he represents a lot of the contradictions and a lot of the failings of the extreme right and his having lost even narrowly was a huge symbolic victory for democrats. he was one of the top ten targets for democrats in the 2012 election. his losing has great significance. i agree with goldie that tea party ideology is the republican party's base, it's part of them, but him losing i think was an important movement for tolerance and i think for a more moderate and hopefully mo
we're also not done with the bill clintons of of the world and the barack obamas of the world. >> we hear rand paul is talking about not a 30-year run but possibly four years. >> he's still viable. i think it's important to remember that what allen west represented beyond just the tea party was an anti-islamic really almost jihadism and it took root in south florida. he was very stridently anti-muslim and in a way that was ironic because he is an african-american and he took that to...
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meantime, former chief of staff for bill clinton bowles on closing bell yesterday talking about the long-term consequences of the fiscal cliff. >> if we do get our house in order, the future of america is bright and can compete with the best and brightest wherever they are. if we don't, we're on our way to becoming a second-rate power. >> joined by illinois congressman peter ross couple. he sits on the ways and means committee and joins us with john harwood and myself at the white house. congressman, good morning. >> hey, good morning, great to be with you. >> we already have the president wishing the speaker a happy birthday. i guess baby steps. right? how do you think the tone is shaping up today? >> i think the tone is good. look. president obama won on tuesday last. the speaker of the house congratulated him and lid out a pathway for the president to lead the nation on how to avoid the fiscal cliff and transform us in to the world class status we want to stay and maintain. so far i think the language is good. there's opportunities i think to find common ground. there's no voices on the re
meantime, former chief of staff for bill clinton bowles on closing bell yesterday talking about the long-term consequences of the fiscal cliff. >> if we do get our house in order, the future of america is bright and can compete with the best and brightest wherever they are. if we don't, we're on our way to becoming a second-rate power. >> joined by illinois congressman peter ross couple. he sits on the ways and means committee and joins us with john harwood and myself at the white...
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a former congressman doug shown and a pollster for bill clinton and joining us live remote from beautiful west palm beach florida, packdel. and a former pollster for president jimmy carter who is hanging out with the rich and beautiful people. so i'm going to go last, pat, just because of that. >> okay. >> doug, look. there's a lame duck session before the fiscal cliff hits. it's really brief. there's a bunch of holidays. can a grand bargain really be hammered out? >> i hope so. bottom line, we need one. the decline in the stock market last week said that the markets and the financial communities are not going to be tolerant if we don't get a grand market. bottom line, i think the republicans have to cave in on of and be willing to increase revenue, even increase rates, pivot the conversation to entitlement reform and spending cuts, but bottom line the president has them over a barrel. >> john, i think they will kick it down the road. an interim deal that simply post bones all of the elements of the fiscal cliff for three months. and gym baker of two admissions pointed that out. >> that's
a former congressman doug shown and a pollster for bill clinton and joining us live remote from beautiful west palm beach florida, packdel. and a former pollster for president jimmy carter who is hanging out with the rich and beautiful people. so i'm going to go last, pat, just because of that. >> okay. >> doug, look. there's a lame duck session before the fiscal cliff hits. it's really brief. there's a bunch of holidays. can a grand bargain really be hammered out? >> i hope...
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bill clinton. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. impeached after the lewinsky mess. . that's trouble for roughly 100% of reelected presidents since 1972. enough to give you second thoughts about that second term. so, is there anything the obama team can do to prevent this? now, as bill clinton might say -- >> it depends upon what the meaning of the word is. >> the fact is, if there is going to be a second term scandal, it's seeds were probably sewn in the first term. the watergate break in, nixon's first term -- >> if the obama team was going to mess up, history suggests they already did. maybe it's something that has made headlines already, but maybe not, the lewinsky scandal didn't surface in 1998, maybe the obama administration will make it's own history and avoid a second term scandal. if not, disney world will seem very appealing. >> in the president's news conference, he said he was well aware of the history of presidential overreach in second terms. you get the sense of anyone that much aware of presidential history knows tha
bill clinton. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. impeached after the lewinsky mess. . that's trouble for roughly 100% of reelected presidents since 1972. enough to give you second thoughts about that second term. so, is there anything the obama team can do to prevent this? now, as bill clinton might say -- >> it depends upon what the meaning of the word is. >> the fact is, if there is going to be a second term scandal, it's seeds were probably sewn in the...
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bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know iran-contra for president reagan rather famously president clinton's impeachment was in the second term. so it may not be this one, but, you know there is kind of a coincidence that time consuming scandals do pop up in those last four years. >> it's interesting you bring up legacy. one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> terrific point. the big things that have happened in our country's his
bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know...